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449: The Real Estate Shift Shaking Private Clubs w/ Jason Becker
The ground is shifting beneath private golf clubs, and not everyone sees it coming. In this eye-opening conversation with Jason Becker, founder of Golf Life Navigators, we peel back the curtain on dramatic changes reshaping the private club landscape across the Sunbelt and beyond.
Remember those endless waitlists and lightning-fast home sales in golf communities? That reality is fading fast. Home prices have dropped 10-15% in many golf communities while inventory has doubled or even tripled. Buyers who once made decisions in weeks now spend months meticulously comparing options. The result? Clubs that proudly displayed "waitlist only" signs are suddenly scrambling to sell memberships again.
Jason reveals fascinating data points that club leaders need to understand: 90% of consumers combine their club and home search, yet nearly half prefer living outside community gates - a major shift from pandemic preferences. Today's buyers prioritize breakfast services, modern fitness facilities, wellness programming, and poolside amenities over traditional selling points like signature golf holes.
What's driving this transformation? We're more than halfway through the Baby Boomer retirement wave, with only 5-6 years remaining before Gen X becomes the primary market. Clubs clinging to reputation and tradition while ignoring changing preferences are setting themselves up for trouble. The solution isn't slashing initiation fees (a mistake many clubs made during the Great Recession), but rather crafting compelling value propositions centered on culture, community, and innovative service offerings.
Whether you're a club leader wondering why your waitlist is shrinking, a membership director seeking fresh marketing approaches, or simply curious about the future of private clubs, this conversation provides a roadmap for navigating the significant changes already underway. The clubs that thrive won't necessarily be those with the most prestigious golf courses, but those creating the most vibrant, service-oriented communities.
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Hey everybody, welcome to the Private Club Radio Show, where we give you the scoop on all things private golf and country clubs, from mastering leadership and management, food and beverage excellence, member engagement secrets, board governance and everything in between, all while keeping it fun and light. Whether you're a club veteran just getting your feet wet or somewhere in the middle, you are in the right place. I'm your host, denny Corby. Welcome to the show. In this episode I am chatting with a longtime friend of mine and the show's here, jason Becker from Golf Life Navigators. If you've been hearing whispers about softening golf real estate prices, exploding inventory and clubs quietly freaking out behind there, we've got a waitlist sign because today's episode is going to confirm everything you suspected and then some. And the guy I call when I want all the unfiltered scoop on what's really happening in the world of private golf real estate, we have Jason Becker. We get into it all the home prices in golf communities, especially across the Sunbelt, down 10 to 15 percent In 90 percent. And buyers they are shopping smarter, slower and looking for more than just manicured fairways. And jason walks us through what this all means for clubs, especially those relying on reputation and tradition to carry the day and, spoiler alert, it's not working like it used to because we are diving into the 2025 mid-year buying trends report from golf life navigators, which, by the way, is stacked with insights if you haven't gotten it yet, you like it used to, as we are diving into the 2025 mid-year buying trends report from Golf Life Navigators, which, by the way, is stacked with insights. If you haven't gotten it yet, you need to get it. Eight out of 10 buyers are hunting for a club and a house at the same time. Nearly half of them want to live outside the gates which is interesting and they are prioritizing things like breakfast services, modern fitness facilities, wellness programming and even poolside food and beverage over traditional selling points. Jason is breaking it down what clubs need to rethink, where the opportunities are popping up and how to stay ahead of the curve. So buckle up.
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Speaker 1:Private Club Radio listeners, let's welcome back on the show our friend from Golf Life Navigators, jason Becker. I'm not a real estate guy by any means. I don't have a crystal ball. I don't own a second or third home in Naples I wish. I barely understand mortgage math. But I'm here with Jason Becker, the guy behind Gulf Life Navigators, and he sends me an email that starts with hey, there's been a shift. And then I see news work. Newsweek is basically screaming Florida real estate is in trouble, and now I am listening. So basically, today I have Jason Becker golf life navigators and we're diving into something that matters a lot more than clubs probably realize, and this just isn't about home prices. It's about who's moving, where they're moving, who's buying, how long they're taking to make a decision and what that means for your club's growth strategy over the next 6, 12, 18 plus months. Jason Becker, welcome to the show, thanks.
Speaker 2:Happy to be here. And full disclosure I'm not a realtor so I know just as much about it as you do, but I know what buyers want.
Speaker 1:No, you got the data, you got the scoop, you got the rub, you got the skinny 100%. So, yeah, all right. What in particular? Anything. So what's the end goal here? What are we?
Speaker 2:I think that for club officials you know, to understand what's going on in the marketplace is what we want to get to, Because at the end of the day, that's what they're not concerned about. But watching really closely, for sure I think we go down that road.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about the email that you sent me, because you did send me an email and I was like this seems important and then I actually called you immediately and I was like I'm no, you know, I know enough to be dangerous and I stick to my lanes, but this sounds important and you explained it to me and can you just give the quick scoop on kind of what's going on with private clubs and real estate right now?
Speaker 2:Sure. So, as you know, we're connected across the country with what we call a golf certified real estate agent, and these eight real estate agents are kind of specialized in golf home sales and work with golf buyers and listings and whatnot. And so we have access to what's going on in their world and so we do a lot of survey work. Access to what's going on in their world and so we do a lot of survey work. So a couple of months ago we started to feel from the consumer side that the transition times were getting a little bit longer. The past couple of years it's been like 9 to 12 months transition time. Looking at the data, it was going to like 12 to 16 months. So that was a flag. Why is that? And so I reached out to the agents. Agents kind of agreed their buyers are slowing down, and so we asked them why and it's boiling down to that the prices just got out of hand for a golf home. Um, and there was just a lack of inventory, so people who were selling their golf homes were able to put a hefty price tag on it. That was about a year ago.
Speaker 2:Today Now, what they're reporting is inventory has doubled, if not even tripled in a lot of communities, so up 100%. A golf community last year who might have had 10 homes for sale now has 20 to 30. Golf community last year who might have had 10 homes for sale now has 20 to 30. Prices have fallen, not significantly for golf homes, but around 5% to 10% in a lot of communities because of more inventory.
Speaker 2:Why? What's causing it? Just because more options, right. So if you were a consumer last year looking to buy a golf home in Naples and there was only five in a specific community that you want to live in or a club that you wanted to play, you paid a premium because you wanted to move, you wanted to make that you know that's your retirement or a second home, so you paid for it. But now that we have so many more listings, that gives the buyers more options and the sellers aren't. They've got to be a little bit more, you know, have a little bit more wiggle room with what they get out of their home. So it might start to fall a little bit.
Speaker 1:Is this more about sellers panicking or buyers pulling back?
Speaker 2:I don't think sellers are panicking, but buyers are definitely say, okay, no one wants to pay the peak level for anything. So buyers have said, okay, we're going to wait this out. A lot of it had to do with the election last year. They want to see what was going to pan out from that the macroeconomics of golf in general, with wait lists and initiation fees rising. So consumers just want to watch the market. And now they're coming back in full force, you know, back into the game of finding a golf home and a membership.
Speaker 1:Are buyers showing up differently now then? Like are they more picky, more price sensitive? Just confused.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, it's hard for the real estate agents, especially so where, if you don't have a lot of options for the buyer, they can just choose one and move on. Well, no, there's tons of options, so it's more showings. It's well. This one has a brand new air conditioning unit. That one, the pool pump, is older than most. So the time of acquisition of these properties has gotten longer. It's like 60 to 90 days now, where a year or two years ago was 30 days. 30 to 45 closings were happening from person who finds a home to you know, writing a check and closing on yeah, yeah, and this I don't.
Speaker 1:is this like is this a dumb question, like our clubs feeling this shift yet, or is it one of those? It's coming just sort of wait situations?
Speaker 2:wait lists have completely diluted. In some cases clubs have gone from having a sizable wait list to needing to sell memberships this year alone to make sure that they're at cap to get those member dues. So they're definitely seeing it, and real estate was kind of driving that. There was homes coming on the market in these communities which means that members were posturing to leave and so now they sell their home. Okay, we're exiting the club and so one by one, by one, the wait list starts to get smaller. So, which isn't a bad thing.
Speaker 2:I was telling someone the other day you know clubs for the last couple of years their attrition rates were cut in half of what they normally were before COVID, which was eight to 10% a year. Um, there was three to 4% per club benchmarking last couple of years. Well, that means you have less people writing initiation checks so you don't have that capital coming in. So this kind of um, uh, increased, uh activity of people buying into the club is actually a good thing for clubs activity of people buying into the club is actually a good thing for clubs, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:The problem, though not really a problem, but the concern for a lot of club officials, though, is okay, we got all these homes for sale. Who's buying in here when we don't really have control of that, and how do we get control of that To make sure that the folks that are buying in there are right for the club and the culture? And that's the tricky part.
Speaker 1:That, yeah, that, that that I mean it's tricky enough to find excuse me, the right culture fit when you don't have that. But when you have a place, a community where, as long as you have a house, you can get a, you know, you can become a member, that's, that's tough. That's tough. Uh, just chatting with with someone on another episode we just recently recorded sort of like about that. Um, you know just certain, you know limitations and things and what you can and can't do and what happens when there's, you know, reprimations and when you have to, you know, do a little bit of, uh, you know, slapping on the wrist and when you're in that tight community and everyone's just kind of it's a unique spot.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, well, it's that, and clubs historically have never wanted to get involved in real estate, because it's likely there's two or three members that live in the community that do all the sales, or most of them, and so you don't want to upset that apple cart either and and upset them so. But the club needs to have some sort of arms wrapped around. Who's buying there and who's selling. It's the wave of the future, for sure.
Speaker 1:And shameless plug to our friends Kenneth's member vetting Our club's looking to really step up their member vetting process. So I also saw that Newsweek article. It kind of just said like the housing market in Florida, uh, you know, the markets are in trouble. Um, I thought that was pretty pretty. You know that's a mood. Uh, what is your take on that, especially since you live in Florida right now? Um, are you seeing the same trend in your data? Is it being a little dramatic? What's what's the, what's the lay of the land?
Speaker 2:Well, Southwest Florida is kind of a bubble. There's just so much wealth that comes here from people around the world they're trying to locate to South Florida in general that we don't really get affected at least in my market anyway by that. We're also studying the golf course markets markets and they're still very strong in terms of pricing, holding strong for home sales. I think it's the ancillary markets that are on the state that probably are suffering a little bit more, because Florida is expensive to live in, especially if you're in the resort and hospitality world where you don't make a lot of money for doing what you're doing but yet you're living in these markets where it's very expensive. So yeah, it definitely is a cause for concern, for sure, for the state. However, in the club side, the clubs still remain very strong with demand.
Speaker 1:Not seeing any sort of slowdown.
Speaker 2:The only thing that I am seeing in the data is that before COVID, roughly 40% or so of consumers did not want to live in a golf community, which is really alarming to me, because if your members don't want to live in a golf community, then that means as a club, you have to open up the gates to non-resident memberships, and that could not be a good thing. If a majority of your members in the future live outside the gates and you're trying to pass a $20 million capital improvement plan on the club and the amenities. Non-residents vote yes for that. Vote yes for that. Maybe not so. Um, that number then shifted to only like 15 during covid did not want to live in a golf community. They wanted to be inside the gates of a safe, controlled environment. But now that we're past it, that number's spiking back up.
Speaker 1:Um, it's back to like 32 percent now so is there like an age range you kind of see in that because, like, I can almost see and this is me just kind of like talking out loud Like I would like if I was in, like, let's say, like Florida, for example, it's like I don't care so much to like live right there, so it's like I don't need to like live right at the club, like I don't need to be like behind the gate, like is that a shift that you're seeing? Like is that part of it? Or like where? Like do you have any more intel or data on like the the why behind that?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's. It's really kind of funny the the, the intel that we have on it just by asking consumers why don't you want to live in a club? And our average consumer is like 58 years old, 59, um, it's funny there. You know, everyone's seen Seinfeld and Del Boca Vista and where Jerry's parents live and that's what they think that it is Like. It's all these old people sitting around a board. To your point. You know earlier writing nasty grams because you left your car parked in the street overnight or the recycling bins out.
Speaker 2:So that's the perception a lot of people have and they just don't want to be part of that. I want to be near shopping and dining, etc. But then you have the other spectrum, or other side of the spectrum of people that are saying, no, I want to live inside the gates of the golf community because I want to go to the clubhouse, have some cocktails and drive my golf cart back and not be out on the road. And so there's different reasonings for both sides of why they either do or don't want to live in there, but they're very simple ones. There's nothing major, there's nothing financial or anything like that. Yeah. So, yeah, you wouldn't. I don't think you'd last long in del boca vista, I feel like you'd get excommunicated.
Speaker 1:Yeah how do you, how do you get clubs? So I still think there's a a lot of clubs that separate real estate and membership in their minds. Uh, and just because you know some clubs don't have it, just you know maybe immediately, immediately, right right there, or you know whatever their ecosystem is, but like, how do you get them to think more linked?
Speaker 2:well, um, honestly, you know platforms like ours with gln. It gives them the opportunity to put homes are for sale in the club on there so that when consumers are looking, we know that 90% of consumers are combining a search with club and home. So let's showcase it and put those homes on there. And that's just one way of subtly getting involved in that space of the industry. The other is just to have a brokerage on site, give them an office, and it doesn't mean that the club has to get any sort of compensation for part of the commissions. I've seen models where a club will give a broker an office space and they're there with a team of two or three for the year. And that broker needs to be in every board meeting, needs to be at every member event, just like the head pro is and the chef, to really be engaged with the membership so that the members use them when they sell. And that's a way for the club then to control who's buying it there or at least manage it.
Speaker 1:And by that you mean having not having anybody in every. You know everybody and their grandmother being able to sell in in your community.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And this is very like specific type of club also. But yeah, no that that that is smart Cause I'm sure there are clubs that just let anybody and everybody come through. It's just like, oh boy here we go.
Speaker 2:Who's this Right? Right, yeah, especially the quote unquote bundled communities where you buy a home and you're an automatic member. They rely on the local real estate community to bring people in there, and so is that a good model. I think it's done okay for them for the last 20 years, 30 years, but for the future I think you really want people in there. They're right for the culture. This saves so much aggravation and you know, no club wants a group of members that are not happy, and you can. If that's a way to avoid it, then certainly you should try to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So if, uh, if a club is in one of these more bearish markets right now, what are they, or what should they be doing differently than they were, say, a year ago today?
Speaker 2:um, definitely keeping an eye on, you know the homes are for sale in their community or for directly around it, because that's really dictating how many people are leaving and watching that attrition rate or resignation list. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there's some clubs that have an attrition rate that's 12% to 15% this year, because I think we talked about this in the past but my theory has always been that the average attrition rate for a club is eight to 10% a year pre-COVID. So in 2020, the 82-year-old said, all right, we're going to resign for natural reasons, downsides move whatever COVID hits and it's like, okay, we're not going to resign now, let's keep what we have and get through this. Well, here we are four years later. That's why attrition dropped to 3% to 4% over the last several years.
Speaker 2:Now that we're past it, that now 86-year-old says, okay, we're out now Home's going on the market, going to resign for the club. And so you're coupling that with the natural attrition that occurs the 8% to 10% a year. Some clubs could be in a real pickle this year and we're seeing it. Club benchmarking is kind of predicting it as well. Of the club should be on alert that you could see, you know a higher increase in people leaving, yeah, which, again, it's not necessarily a bad thing because it reinvigorates the membership with new members and new capital coming in, etc.
Speaker 1:It's just the clubs have to have that Melissa Hansen marketing plan in place to make sure that they're exposed to the marketplace as people are looking. What's the first steps to that? So you know you're, you're a gm, you're a membership director, you know it's something that they, what's something they can do this week, next week or as soon as possible to kind of prepare and start for the shift and like moving that or moving their needle forward.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think they definitely have to have plans for some sort of marketing approach. It doesn't have to be massive campaigns, but plugging into environments like ours, or working with Ed Heil and Storyteller and that group, or Melissa Hansen, just for consulting on social media and how the club can tastefully promote or advertise what they have without building a billboard saying but join here. So all of those things I think are really, really important to get back in front of, because we have I'm speaking just kind of about the Sunbelt and, and you know, the average buyer is 58 to six years old we have roughly five to six years left of baby boomers. Um, retiring every day is 13 000 people a day retire, so that's going to last for about five to six years. Well then, you're entering gen x and you know our generation. So, um, is the club going to prepare for that? And you have to start now for sure, because the baby boomer run is going to slow. We're more than halfway through it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's a big thing to start thinking about.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah and that's a whole conversation on its own that clubs are starting to posture for. It's like, okay, what amenities can we buy or build to compete with everyone else? And I don't think that there is anything specific. I think that clubs are going to start to shift to more service oriented amenities detailing your car, dry cleaning, daycare, business centers. That's what it's going to be.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm, I'm surprised that's not more of a thing it is a little your neck of the woods.
Speaker 2:I think that a lot of the the private clubs offers things some smaller things like that, but not in the the sunbelt at all.
Speaker 1:Interesting all about the pool and the pickleball neo big, expensive amenities yeah to me like it's like little things, like knowing that if I do x, y and and Z on Tuesdays I always have lunch, I always do this, I always play that, but man, just when I drop my car off, oh, it's also going to get detailed.
Speaker 1:Or like the weekly, that's just like little things. And service value ads, I think can just enhance the top bottom lines or even just the member experience, just knowing your people well and just having those different services and offerings. I mean I'm even working on an episode, total, like pivot, you know, total side quest. But like I'm surprised more clubs and maybe they do, it's just not talked about but at least from the people I talk to it's not. But like more like transportation services for the older members of just you know, a car just handling, making sure the flight, the IT, because a lot of them, you know it's a pain in the butt to travel nowadays and it's a lot. It's a lot and, like you know, getting there and arriving and picking up and all that's all very stressful. So I think that's just even going to like a bigger city is driving it. I think that's like a, like a tapped or untapped little like thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I think that that's the wave of the private club future. For sure, Stuff like that, um, especially with more virtual jobs or people who are in their forties, can live in Naples and work, you know, and still be a member of the club.
Speaker 1:Yeah, are there any clubs you've seen that are just nailing it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, are there any clubs you've seen that are just nailing it? Yeah, I mean, uh, the, the ones that are really, really focused on, um, the culture of the club. So our data is still to this day. The friendly culture of the club is the number one motivating factor as to what people are looking for in their ideal club, and it drives me bananas. I'll go to a private club website and it shows empty dining rooms in this empty practice facility, and I know it's hard to stage a picture of members, but you gotta have people smiling and happiness and laughter, cause that's what people are looking for. It's not about the signature hole anymore. It's that it's having a real estate presence on the website, whether it's a portal. The show homes for sale and the amenities Highlight them.
Speaker 1:Any upcoming amenities or any amenities that you're seeing is, like, anything unique you see coming to light more. Is there something you're like oh, I didn't see that coming. Or, you know, I think pickleball, like you know, probably padel at this point, but is there any like unique stuff? Like I don't know if this would be considered an amenity, but like I know a couple clubs are really killing it with sound bath and like that sort of thing. So I guess it's more of just like a feature, but like, are you seeing any unique amenities that you're like, oh, that's something to be on the lookout for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a lot of, again service-based things like that Cold plunges, the gardening at the clubs where members can, you know, grow their own farm to table food. There's a club in texas I can't think of it now. They have got a whole like education program so they've got, obviously, members who are experts in their fields, whether it's accounting or legal, whatever. They've got a whole series where you could take classes as a member at night to learn these specific skills and I guess it's just sold out Like every every class is full, it's cooking, you know all these things.
Speaker 1:So isn't that like the point of the club is to like meet and engage in, like be with your people, so like that's just genius, it's great, it yeah, it's it's so simple.
Speaker 2:It's just a matter of building it and, you know, managing it to a degree. Yeah, a club is a group of like-minded individuals, you know, who are focused on the same thing, and that's what a golf club and course is, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, are there any underrated markets or regions for private club growth Right?
Speaker 2:Right now that's a good question. I for private club growth. Right now that's a good question. I don't know if there's necessarily underrated. I know that consumers have shifted gears over the last couple of years because some markets are just sold out. So, like Scottsdale is sold out, so let's go look at Tucson or Flagstaff. Same thing here in Naples People are like okay, let's go look at Sarasota and Venice. We hear Tampa has some really good clubs, we're going to look up there. So yeah, all those second tier markets if you will have, definitely, and does that affect and change the initiation fees?
Speaker 1:and things of that nature. Should it Does it? Should they just keep on track, like what's that lay of the land to you, if anything that you've seen?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's a big question. We did a conference a couple months ago where there's a lot of general managers in there and they were wondering did we get too aggressive on initiation fees? And the answer is no. I mean, a lot of them, you know, had supply and demand Right, so why not increase initiation fees? I don't think they're going to go backwards. That's a tough decision to make as a board president to reduce the initiation fee when someone just bought one for, you know, a hundred K and you're dropping to 50 K. So I think that'll hold strong it's. I think that clubs might just have to get a little bit more aggressive value, you know, delivery of services and just to make it, you know, to the consumer it's okay and I understand we're at the higher level of the market with a hundred thousand dollar membership.
Speaker 2:But this is what you're going to get here and this is the kind of, you know, leadership that we have and services and amenities, so that way they can keep selling, if you will and then without ever having it decrease their membership or initiation, because that's something I know club wants to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah no I've lived through that, actually that they, post the great recession, the club that was at before the 2008 was charging 110 000 to be a member there. Just after the recession, you could get into that club for $15,000. And so you can imagine the $100,000 members were just beside themselves. But then you also have two cultures of people that are much different, and so expectations are different. Oh my goodness, and that was for clubs. We were not rare. That was for a lot of clubs. Oh my goodness, and that was for clubs. We were not rare for a lot of clubs. Wow, yeah, but I don't see that happening in this scenario.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's a well and and it's okay to not have a wait list and to just maintain your, maintain your ground, like that's okay, be who you are, that's what a club is, and put on your sales hat and you're. Every club is not for every person, and right, yeah?
Speaker 2:no, that's what's fun about marketing. And I mean we know that 60 of new members come from existing members. So work with your folks that get their friends of friends and then focus on that 40.
Speaker 1:You know doing, you know sophisticated marketing allowing more events for people to bring their guests and doing more of that, yeah so that's, you know, I would have been, I, I could, I can be in both people's shoes, like I could imagine being the person who just paid a hundred, looking at the person who just paid 15. And I can, like I can just feel the tension in both sides. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was. It was stressful.
Speaker 1:So it actually dropped right just from a hundred to 15 grand.
Speaker 2:Literally within a year. Yeah, yeah it was very tough to manage and it was a club where there was no tea times so you had both groups to get out at once and you know conflict. Um, our leadership team managed it great. I mean they, they, they were out in front of it but they club owner had to do what he had to do to keep news you know I'm good, I I understand all sides, but man, oh yeah, tough one, wow, wow yeah, hopefully we'll never go back to those dark days.
Speaker 2:No, I don't know some might, some might, oh sure yeah, um clubs that don't have good leadership and you know they definitely could get themselves into a pickle mr becca, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 1:Really appreciate you sharing uh. People want to learn more about you and how you can help their club. Where do they go?
Speaker 2:GolfLifeNavigatorscom. And that's it. We're a spoke in the wheel for the marketing effort. Plug in.
Speaker 1:Hope you all enjoyed that episode. Want to learn more about myself? Head on over to DennyCorbycom. Want to learn more about management in motion? Over to dennycorbycom. Want to learn more about management in motion? Head over to privateclubradiocom. Slash mim and make sure you sign up for our newsletter over on privateclubradiocom. That's this episode. I'm your host, Denny Corby. Until next time, catch y'all on the flippity flip.
